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rgardner

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« on: December 10, 2019, 04:16:34 pm »
Howzabout health care?

I would contend that in a rational society, the health care of it's members would be a priority.  Health care is intrinsic to the well being of it's members.  Therefore, health care (including pharma and research) should be one of the services a rational society provides to it's members.

I realize that many of the "more civilized" prideful segments of this reality have begun to offer universal health care, but this is just the tip of the iceberg of what should be provided.

One of the biggest obstacles to sensible full health care is the greed concept that has flourished throughout the world.

An example:

10-12 years ago, I was monitoring research papers when I noticed one regarding a treatment for Alzheimer's.  The study with rats found that ultrasound treatment could breakup the plaque that caused the symptoms due to Alzheimer's.  They suggested it might require a treatment every year to keep patients symptom free. 

The very same day I ran across an journalist's article about an Alzheimer's drug getting FDA approval, with another pharma's drug a few months from approval.

I never saw any reference to the ultrasound treatment until an article several months ago.  The FDA approved drugs had not proven to be effective, and the ultrasound treatment might undergo human trials.
Yesterday, I saw the article of the one drug pharma claiming they had misinterpreted their data and there actually was significant improvement noted.  Think we'll ever see the ultrasound treatment? ???

Another example:

10-15 year ago, a University of Central Florida researcher developed a GMO lettuce that actually contains insulin that can be ingested and absorbed by the gut instead of daily injections. This disappeared very quickly.  Last we mention in 2017 - "all we need to do is grind the lettuce and encapsulate".

Or how bout a non-patent cure for arteriosclerosis:

https://norwegianscitechnews.com/2016/04/dissolving-cholesterol-crystals-may-help-treat-heart-disease/

And on...and on.

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Re: Health Care
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2019, 04:25:14 pm »
Universal access to quality health care (UHC) is one of the few  things that keeps me just over the line in the lower left quadrant of the Political Compass test.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

But my empathy gland is running mostly dry, as so many of the diseases ravaging the first world especially nowadays are ‘lifestyle’ illnesses brought about by overactive forks, unsophisticated palates, treating food as entertainment and comforter and collusion between government regulators and Big Farm-a.

I don’t believe that health insurance should cover people who choose to trash their health, eg., smokers and the obese, but this is so challenging to police, because how do we then assess the spinal reconstruction surgery and rehab for the skydiver...?

I don’t believe that free boob jobs or re-assignment surgery should be given to gender dysphorics.

Or that doctors should be operating as drug (especially antidepressant) dispensaries.

In short, my support for UHC is mostly in-principle, with a very high threshold for inclusion - basically, emergencies and bona fide disabilities.

But there are so many inherent dangers in governments becoming the Santa Claus of “free stuff” that the closer I analyse it - and current politics has made that a necessity - the more rapidly I’ve been shedding the socialist sympathies of my more youthful self.

I’d frankly prefer we look after veterans better and at the same time stop sending them to wars. If we could just stop feeding that mil-industrial machine THEN we could look at a more widely-scoped and enriched healthcare system.



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Re: Health Care
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2019, 06:39:06 pm »
Mike, you may have missed an important point at the beginning of my health care discussion.

I'm advocating full health care in a rational society, not to be confused with the current societies of reality.  Initially, small think tank communities would need to rely on outside health care for their members.
But, they would grow to provide what I see as an intrinsic function of societal purpose.

Also, my concept of health care may be much broader than you assume.  Education is a huge part of health care, so let me start a new thread addressing how education should (IMHO) be handled in a rational society. ;)

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Re: Health Care
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2019, 06:48:30 pm »
I saw it, mate. Just venting.


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Re: Health Care
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2019, 12:34:34 pm »
Surprise! :D

 

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Re: Health Care
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2019, 05:08:45 pm »
Woah...ok, now Ray you’ve gotta do this too...If it’s similar we’ll need a brief sidebar to discuss!

...We’ve never discussed our politics before, have we..?


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Re: Health Care
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2019, 05:48:14 pm »
Where was George Carlin on your compass.  I am more aligned with his viewpoint. :D

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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2019, 06:43:06 pm »
“Political correctness is fascism disguised as manners” - George Carlin

(On a t-shirt I own)


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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2019, 04:44:12 pm »
Where was George Carlin on your compass.  I am more aligned with his viewpoint. :D

Jed said... Stop relying on outside sources for your viewpoint (I'm on Carlin's side too)

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2019, 04:56:24 pm »

...We’ve never discussed our politics before, have we..?

Never, totally crazy we land on the same square!


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Re: Health Care
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2019, 10:27:59 pm »
Yeah...isn’t that weird?!


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