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General Discussion / Re: Honesty
« on: February 19, 2023, 04:44:09 pm »Lets put a few things to rest here as we seem to be talking past one another on most of these concepts. You keep saying we are "proud of mastering and/or transcending our feelings" and yet nowhere in this forum has anyone said this. I repeat, nowhere has anyone said this! This is purely a fiction of your interpretation and it is dead wrong, why you keep saying this when no one here has said it is very perplexing, it feels like you are trying to sell some false propaganda to bolster your claims. I am going to try, one last time, to dissuade you from lying about what people say here and if you can find a quote where someone claims that they are "proud of mastering and/or transcending our feelings" please copy and paste it in this thread so we can discuss it and figure out why you keep saying this. If you can't find one then we will all understand that you are just delusional and will know to ignore your false statements about others in this forum.
"I equate self-love with being aware of and welcoming one's feelings (and I've stated it many times). Because that's the only self I could find. You guys proud yourselves at mastering and/or transcending your feelings. That's self-denial in my book."
On the contrary, I have stated in many threads over 8 years time here and at IGF, that the first awakening experience at 30 was an ego implosion and subsequent Unity Consciousness event that opened the door to an understanding of the "Oneness of all things" and an emotional breakdown which conceived the first inkling of self love and entrance to adulthood, the first experience of "feeling my feelings" from a loving and acceptance focused perspective instead of from a self-centered and self-denial (Childhood) perspective. I spent the next 20 years exploring these feelings, learning to express them when possible and working on becoming an adult, responsible for self and feelings, taking ownership of such instead of blaming others for them. This meant being open to and receptive of inner feelings in a way that wasn't possible before this awakening to Love/Oneness occurred.
Please explain to me where you see "proud of mastering and/or transcending our feelings" in this or any other experience here, (except Frits' he is an anomaly here) if you can't, please acknowledge that you've been mistaken so we can move on from these inane conversations.
To clarify: when I say that people are living from their heads I don't mean that they are completely cut off from the love in their hearts and the intuition in their guts. They rarely are. What I'm saying is that we learn from the collective to have a preference for residing in our heads rather than losing the preference and allowing consciousness to dance between the three. Or to broaden into the three.
In other words the experience of the heart is completely different when one is experiencing it while energetically being in the head, and different when one resides in the heart.
I don't necessarily disagree with the above statement other than to say as a clarification it's a bit convoluted. Here existence was primarily lived in the head until 30, at that point the heart opened (above story) and there was an non-integration issue between the two, I wrote down what appeared as parable based on a lucid dreaming episode I had while working with a Reiki Master who was helping me during some challenging life experiences. The gist of the parable (I will post it if I can find it, it was written 30 years ago) is this:
When I (Self) was young I was walking in the woods with my pet snake when I fell into a pit. I couldn't get out of the pit but my pet snake could so it would go off and find food and bring it to me so I could survive. Over time, stuck in this pit, I realized I owed everything to the snake and loved and revered it as my savior, the most important thing.
Then one day while the snake was gone, a small mouse appeared in the dank pit that I was forced to call home. In speaking with the mouse he encouraged me to come with him to his world, I told him I couldn't go for two reasons; first and foremost I could never leave my pet snake behind as he had kept me alive (albeit in a pit) for my whole existence, I owed him everything. Secondly, I was trapped in this god-forsaken pit and there was no way out.
Over time my snake seemed to have gone missing and beginning to starve, I finally gave in to the mouse and said I would go but I didn't know how. In that instant, wham! I shrunk to the size of the mouse and there in front of us at the bottom of the pit was a door. Walking through it was transcendent, we entered into the most beautiful, infinite expanse I had ever seen, a paradise. I was shocked and dumbfounded that it had been right under my feet the entire time.
Then my pet snake reappeared, he was angry and felt betrayed that the mouse and I had become fast friends, he tried to eat the mouse and was constantly telling me we had to go back to the pit. I felt like a referee, I was constantly trying to get these two pets to play nicely but it was impossible, the snake had been in control for so long that it wouldn't relinquish it's position and constantly did things to sabotage the beautiful paradise the mouse had invited me into.
The Reiki Master helped me decode the parable and that's where I left off at age 33, trying to integrate heart and mind, without much success, not knowing or understanding that without full Truth Realization (of which I had no idea at that time and wouldn't for 20 more years) integration would be impossible, the struggle between heart and mind epitomizes duality, yin and yang. Integration (Truth Realization) is the dissolution of the something, of heart and mind, and realization of the nothing, the singularity, non-dual.
All numbers are spiritual and have the same potential. 33 simply doesn't have the luxury to deny that there is much more going on here than meets the eye.
Numbers were invented by humans, as a species we know this, they are part of Maya, the Matrix, whatever you want to call the playground, they have no more spiritual significance than tarot cards, crystal balls and/or any other belief system invented by humankind. Until one realizes this they will be trapped in Maya, trying to read the tea leaves every morning to divine what they are supposed to do with their lives. It's a trap, a box canyon where false guru's (is there any other kind?) and the 99.999% think their searching means something, it doesn't.
I don't understand why you are here, Crystal I understand, she has questions and is looking for feedback through which she can sift and compare with her preconceived ideas and possibly wend her way to Truth. You come here with answers based in human history and human mis-understanding, there seems to be no open mind available to you, your cup is full of human concepts like numerology, good luck with that.
I don't see the difference between believing in God/reincarnation/numerology/whatever and believing these things to be BS.
EVERYTHING can be abused. Doesn't mean one has to throw the baby out with the bathwater. That would be the abuse in itself.
What you don't seem to get is this: There is no baby and equally no bathwater. This is the "bird in the empty cage" and "The child of a barren woman" The Understanding can only be comprehended by people who see beyond belief and non belief. It can only be fathomed (and deeply fathomed) by those who move beyond the idea of concepts in general, not just belief or non-belief. This is why your words mean nothing here and only serve to confuse and mislead those whose search comes from the heart. Your words may (doubtful) make sense to those whose search originates in the mind but not the heart.
Just to test your patience. You seem to feel the need for an awful lot of words to defend your "whatever you are now" state, and that is quite unusual for someone who claims not to be Steve. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will), but if you're no longer this person Steve, why the hell are you defending Steve against what anybody else thinks of Steve?
For example... you've been calling me (as Frits) all sorts of things lately, not nice things, mostly vengeful things... do you see me defending "Frits"? Nope, cause you can't offend me. You can try and offend something I'm not, but I don't get offended because I am not that, so I don't have to defend "Frits". Easy one two three. But you, wow, you keep on explaining yourself and defending yourself as if you really need to convince yourself, through convincing others, that you are actually free.
Now, that's funny.
