Platos Kave

Said I was going to ask a few questions/comments to Plato and Mic, but have decided to just let sleeping dogs lie. J) you sound like me more all the time. When something doesn’t make sense, you shoot the arrow right through it. It all sounds good on paper until one applies it personally, and then, somehow the two never match up. Although the cult says, like this email I got the other day, quoting Nis: That which makes you think you are human is not human. It is a dimensionless point of consciousness, a conscious nothing; all you can say about yourself is 'I am.' You are pure being-awareness-bliss. To realize that is the end of seeking. You come to it when you see all you think yourself to be as mere imagination and stand aloof in pure awareness….

When I asked the writer if this is what he realizes, his reply was,  “years ago, I said humbly”.
It’s always humble, years ago, which is why he doesn’t quote himself.

Well I would just say that I appreciate your willingness to just talk about your experience honestly without a bunch of pretense. I am always interested in talking with people and hearing about their experiences but I have to speak up when I sense dishonesty.

I think a lot of what jeds talks about is valuable as well as a lot of other things you learn about yourself and reality if you're of that exploritory nature but I just find it weird that people come in here, regurgitate something they read in a book and go cold when you talk to them or ask them to think for themselves. Ask some one how they feel about being themselves and they just bug out. It's weird and boring. But yes can't really say I have much use for anything that doesn't line up here in the real world. Never been a big fan of fiction although it can be entertaining.

PS you do remind me of someone. Doesn't matter.

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Nice that your little girl is exploring other things, your heart must swell with so much love for her. I think it’s really hard being a husband, parent, holding down a job, and finding time to explore yourself.

Honesty is really big for me too. And what Jed talks about most certainly gave me pause for thought, and as you say it’s his thoughts not ours. Sure I can understand if one realizes the same thing that he or Nis or any of the others go on about. The dishes still need to be done and the floor swept. The child still needs to be brought up, and when a friend, child or parent we love dies, the grief can almost kill us. My sister’s son, died just over a year ago, to this day she doesn’t know if it was murder or suicide. His note to her the day before, was full of excited plans on what he was going to do for Christmas. That just makes my heart break.

 Still think that Plato’s intention was for like minded so I don’t think he appreciates me or maybe even you, for disturbing the nest. He was very tolerant in letting me ask a zillion questions and I really appreciate he gave me the venue and all his and everyone else’s who took the time to patiently explain over and over. At the end of the day, I still don’t get it. Hence why waste anyone’s time. And I’m tired of it all right now. Reality to me just means whatever comes into my sphere, so many things come out of left field, others I create, others appear to be created for me. I see more clearly where I have hurt others, others have hurt me, where I have been wrong about so many things. I have always wanted to know what is the truth, but I’m not so sure I’ll ever know.

A friend who writes a lot better than I do, reads the Kave, summarized what you are all saying as follows, does it basically encapsulate what you are all getting at?

The same force that automatically digests our food and beats our hearts, runs our entire lives, with zero input from us. And because it’s the same for everyone, no one is responsible for anything, nor is there any such thing as cause and effect. Whatever compelled people to get the vax, compelled you and I not to get it. End of story. Except we keep the story going by spending years “bitching” about it and trying to find and assign fault and blame. Apparently we should have just accepted it and moved on without another thought. We have no agency over anything except to accept what is.

**J)’s response does include for agency.

J)  I could spin my own interpretation of where you were coming from but just wanted to hear it from you re: statements 1, 2, 3.

1.   F*ck you and what you think. God bless.
2.   Not hard accepting what is. It's done for you. Now what?
3.   Can't accept anything if you can't look at it honestly
4.   Agree:  that Walt glossed over how peaceful the animals are within the first few moments of the vid * Humans  poisoning their environment, well who knows how that’s going to affect their natural nature
5.   I resonated with these: I'm not perfect but at least I'm real. That's a start. And I'm trying. I just pray to understand God's Will / what is a lot. I do not pretend to understand. I do think it's important to have good honest relationships with people in your life and that it's important to have people around who care about and will listen and talk to you open and honestly and vice versa.

I initially came to write on the Kave because a lot of the things written in the Jed books and similar, I simply could not understand and was looking for some kind of clarification to apply in real life situations, which somehow never worked and still don't.  Upon further reflection, I believe Plato's intent for this site was for like minded people to share from behind the "iron curtain of the mind" or more recently to  "waking up with a changed perspective". I simply am not there so anything I write would be a waste of all of our time.  Thank you.

The closest I can come to any words around this, is we keep “doing the same things we have always done” by accepting what is, nothing can change and the full potential can never be realized or even explored. Hence why wars constantly repeat. People seem to accept that is the way humanity “is”. Is that true? By accepting that certain people in so called "public health" consider themselves the authority on what constitutes health, is that true?  Yet billions lined up for the latest jab. I question that “accepting what is” isn’t just another installed program. A door closer because it doesn’t allow for anything other.

If the robber is never accountable for his actions, who will ever hold him responsible? Some unknown entity in the big sky of infinity? Let's pretend there is a beautiful man in the sky with piercing blue eyes watching what humanity does. They send one missile of corruption, and then another, and then there is so much corruption, it spread faster than any virus, strangely enough, there was no jab for that. Some brave men and women stand up and see what's going on, they try to tell the people, but the people are too scared that they too might get thrown in jail, so they cower in fear. Others will say, just accept what is, there must be a grand plan in place, there are no mistakes. Yep, it's called wake up people. David Icke has been calling this out for so many years and here we are, Little Miss Muffet's sitting on our tuffets. For the love of God, what does it take to say NO.

Side note: I'm doing this course right now, one of the questions in it is:
1. If you could change one world problem what would you change? I kind of have to chuckle as I'm pretty sure I can guess what your answer would be. Surprise me!!!

And I also know that all of you will completely and totally disagree with everything I've just written and insist that accepting what is, is the only way. But at least we could say hello it's nice to hear your voice again.

Roald Dahl wrote a book called Switch **** - I loved it, it has many stories in it like yours above. Perhaps they only work like that in fairy tales.

Crikey, I hope by now, we can stop accepting things as they are and start moving the chains of slavery off our necks.

What's strange about it?  I was respecting the criteria. Since some people might consider themselves to be where he's at, including yourself, then, that might make more sense. And maybe he would enjoy your music......