Platos Kave

I have only one question for you, Plato — or should I call you Steve (I think I just remembered your name):

Why do you keep banning me?

What is it that I say that is so threatening to you, or to what you think and believe you are?

Seriously, you are supposed to be this awake enlightened person running this show. I am running two "shows" on Facebook and two website and I feel no need to block or ban anyone. Because I know whatever they say or do can't hurt me. I'm there to help, that's all.

But you, on your show, you keep shutting me down. Why? Why do you feel threatened by what I say and write?

Quote from: Crystal on June 27, 2024, 11:49:13 am

"a lot of things need changing" but are you really the person that has all the answers? Not to be a dooshe bag, but I don't think I said that I was.  However, my statement and yours was fraught with "implied and interpreted", which is at the core of so many issues humans face. He said, no, she said, no, he meant, no she meant and it just goes on and on. We all share the little square of dirt.

Granted, words get in the way, my goal is to simplify, simplify and simplify. Take my hoe, put my head down so I don't get distracted by "all that" and start tilling my plot of ground and by my plot of ground I don't mean "dirt" or "earth" I mean the mind, all the stories that arise and try to attach and create a "ME". Once you see thru the "I" one is always aware of it's desire to re-insert itself as master and commander, "weeding the garden" is vital or one day you wake up strangling your neighbor or screaming at your spouse or kids and wonder "How did I get here?"

 No this isn't a Talking Heads song, you got there by simply thinking you're Done and not being vigilant against ego coming in the back door. As far as I'm concerned if I'm doing anything but that, I'm just part of the problem "out there" and "out there" has no pertinence to whats going on in here. Simplify.

When you say "a lot of things need changing" you set up an expectation and a desire, unless you are willing to change them (run for office, join a non profit blah blah blah) then you are setting yourself up for disappointment when they don't change... It's just a different way of viewing the world is all, I don't think things should change, so to most I'm an A$$hole, but to me I.m a realist, god made this planet, it's his/her/it's mess to do with as he/she/it pleases, not my business at all...

You call this "simplify, simplify and simplify"? Really?

You can’t change what is, so accepting it is the only rational response to it.

But you also always have three options of response to what is, to maximise any influence of what comes next (or what it means to you):
1. be ok with it and your feelings about it and move on… or
2. act so as to influence what comes next…or
3. rationalise your thinking about it, so it doesn’t seem so bad.

Muddling on in cognitive dissonance just leads to depression and what lies in the darkness beyond that.

…But those are all options only in the world of duality.

How different things appear when I can recognize I am the seer, the seeing and the seen, all at once.

Quote from: Mind on May 19, 2024, 01:10:41 pm

Quote from: j( on May 19, 2024, 12:36:21 pm

Quote from: Mind on May 19, 2024, 10:46:08 am

How do you know that what I am saying is not Truth and reality? You don't, and you can't. If I'm right and it's true that this is a dream, you wouldn't know and you couldn't know, because you'd be sleeping and I am the one asking you to wake the fvck up. So why dismiss it? Again I ask: what is it you're so afraid of that you won't even investigate what I am claiming?

I wouldn't say that I'm afraid to investigate what you're saying Fritz. Just as long as we're talking about reality here, what you're saying is just pretty far out there as far as..."The world is nothing but a mental projection and " Form actually does not exist at all." That's just not my experience or probably the experience of 99.999 percent of humanity but it's fine either way and there probably are flying monks somewhere in existence as well, I've just never really seen one.

The fun thing is that people have been saying what I am saying for ages. Buddha said it, Jezus said it, Ramana Maharshi said it, Nisargadatta Maharaj said it, Osho said it, Adyashanti said it... even real Jed said it (I mean the one who wrote the first three books; read 'm again, and you'll see). It's not just me, you know.

Yes, they've been saying something like what you're saying, except, as I have pointed out in here ad nauseam, they meant it one way and you took it another, you and a bunch of Neo Advaita groupies that rant and rave that there is no "reality" there are no "forms" well, prove it, stick a fork in your eye and prove that this is all "a projection". Such bullsh!t and such a disservice to those that are actually trying to sort it out.

Whats this, about the 5th variation of "his" Enlightenment that Frits has come back here with? Each time needing to tell us he has gone farther than us and now farther than even Jed... Enlightened people don't concern themselves with such dreck, that's the easy way to tell who's full of it but there are others. How long before he implodes again and goes away to remake the next version? Not soon enough I'm afraid...

What if YOU took it the wrong way? Really? Cos all you can do is attack me. You have no arguments to proof I am wrong, so you attack me. That is extremely childish. And very pathetic, so this is all I am going to say to you about this. Have fun in your "reality".

Crystal, do feel free to ask me anything. And never mind Plato, he truly doesn't know what he is doing.

I want to thank Crystal an J( (I'm sorry, J(, I'm really bad at names, so I don't remember your real name... it's either Jason or Justin??), you both reminded me that reality perceived is different for any apparent separate projection (what you would call "human"). Thank you for that.

And thats fine but I don't need to take those people's word for it when I can look and see for myself where my experience is full to the brim of form and feeling and mental projection is just seen as the over lying thoughts about experience rather than mistaken for the experience itself. But to each their own. Literally.

You don't need to do anything. You don't need to respond to what I am writing... and yet you do. If you are so right in what you see for yourself, why take the time to disprove what I say? Why talk to Crystal about what I am saying? Seriously? Why at all bother responding to what I say?

Answer these questions for yourself.

My version
Truth = what I know to know is true without any doubt or question
Reality = whatever is in front of me

There is a me, an I and a you in mine.
Your version eliminates. 

I am not dismissing what you are saying, as many spiritual books do use the same talking points as yours. It just is not my reality or truth, at the moment.

Yes, and I get that it's not your truth or reality... as it wasn't mine for the better part of the 58 years this body roamed the earth. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else. I only want to convey what I "experience" (quote-unquote, because to me it's not an experience, to me it's Truth) and how extremely cool it is. I only want to share it so you and everyone else may at least get the chance, or the choice, of going there too.

In relationship to what you wrote above, and this from Jedvaita today, how does this sit with you (I am assuming with your remark about just being formless, that you wouldn't consider yourself a human being, other than as a character that you are playing).
The Gum In Our Eyes
You don’t become a fully realized nondual entity, you become a well-developed and still-developing human being with an authentic purpose which is yours alone to fulfill. That’s the real endgame here; reclaiming your life, not all that hoo-haw they peddle in the spiritual marketplace. Adulthood is everything. Enlightenment is, literally, nothing.

I think I said it here somewhere before, that I have gone further where "Jedvaita Jed" stopped in his tracks. But yes, here — with the emphasis on "HERE", as in "this dual dream" or "this illusory dual world" — you can never become "a fully realized nondual entity," because there is no such thing. You can become "a well-developed and still-developing human being with an authentic purpose" if that's what you want. It's not what you really are, but it is what you seemingly can become "HERE". I went further, because I wanted to go further. I consider myself Mind that apparently chose to project itself as a human being called "Frits" and as long as I seem to be doing that, I pretend to be Frits — it's the part I play in this play. I don't believe I am this Frits, but I play it with all my heart, because I got nothing else to do.

PS: Jedvaita Jed is not Book Jed, or at least not the first three books Jed.