Platos Kave

You don't die in a dream Kristen. You wake up. Unfortunately for you this is not a dream and I think you have a pretty good idea of that which is why you don't light yourself on fire like an idiot.

Well, of course it's not me who dies, it's the body I use to play my part in the dream that dies. But either way, the dream ends, and I like my dream, so therefore I do not set myself on fire in the dream. So really, you've proven no point. All you do is reassure yourself that you are real and that you exist, and to do that, you need to be right and I need to be wrong.

But that's cool, you're free to choose that path. It's a fear based path, of course, and deep down inside you know that. This is why you react the way you react to someone like me who basically tells you that you don't really exist. But again, that's cool. I was only trying to bring another perspective into the conversation before you lashed on to me. 

Any reason why you'd object to lighting yourself on fire Kristen?

Doesn't seem like a difficult question.

Because it would end the dream. In the dream, the body would die and therefore ending the dream, or at least my experiencing the dream. Why would I want to do that? Sure, I could jump of a skyscraper, but why? Just to proof something? What would I proof? Nothing, because in YOUR part of the dream I would die, because that's the proof YOU want to see in YOUR part of the dream. So it would proof nothing and MY part of the dream would end. That would be stupid. I like MY part of the dream.

And you're right, it's not a difficult question. But it's a really stupid question, so that's why I asked for a clarification.

Seems like the exact kind of weird, nonsensical sort of thing that happens in a dream all the time so I'm not actually sure why you'd have a problem with it. Not being real and all.

So, why wouldn't you?

Maybe it's the fire, it's too much. How about on coming traffic? Would you ever go sit on the highway and type this diddy?

Quote from: Kristen on March 19, 2026, 10:47:33 am

If... (as Jed and a well known nursery rhyme says) Life is but a dream
And... Everything in a dream is not real
Then... Life is not real

 every thing in life is not real, including "the world" and "you" and "me" and whatever we do to each other or ourselves or the environment or whatever. "Accepting what is", to me, simply means that you accept that it is all a dream, an illusion, and it therefore does not matter enough to upset you.

Yes or no?

Why would I do that?

Quote from: j( on March 19, 2026, 12:35:46 pm

Quote from: Kristen on March 19, 2026, 10:47:33 am

If... (as Jed and a well known nursery rhyme says) Life is but a dream
And... Everything in a dream is not real
Then... Life is not real

That means: every thing in life is not real, including "the world" and "you" and "me" and whatever we do to each other or ourselves or the environment or whatever. "Accepting what is", to me, simply means that you accept that it is all a dream, an illusion, and it therefore does not matter enough to upset you. This does not mean you don't react to it, or take action against it (you can do that if you choose so, or you choose not to, and both choices are cool — that is also what is). It only means that, whatever the outcome of your reaction or actions, or the lack of it, you accept it for what it is. You do not get angry, because it's not really real. This, to me, is all "accepting what is" means: you do not take things personally and it cannot effect your inner peace.

But what if I DO get angry? That cool or naw? This is a serious question.

Who determined that we should accept everything except for not accepting everything?

This is an example of how a "spiritual ego"  is still just an ego. Not trying to offend. In Jed terminology it's just further or back there depending on where you're at. Like try less. Imo

Good question. But since we're discussing this topic in the spirit of Jed, let me ask you this: How often does Jed get angry in his books? He disagrees, yes, and he lets his disagreement be known, yes, but he does not lose himself in anger. Ego loses itself and gets angry.

Nobody determined that we should accept of not accept anything, it's what occurs and appears to be so when you free yourself from ego's reign. Or, as jed puts it, you wake up.

Oh, and I forgot to answer your question "But what if I DO get angry? That cool or naw?" Yes, that is cool too, because that is what is and I accept that. But do you want to be angry? Do you actually like to be angry? Because there is a way to not be angry.

Well here's the deal, I appreciate you explaining but I'm certainly not trying to embody Jed. Are you? I don't really see ego as something to be rid of so much as aware of anyhow. Anyone who thinks that they don't have an ego and then tells you how to deal with yours is selling something either to you or themselves but probably both.

I don't really mind if I get angry no. I can see many instances where the emotion can be helpful, even a step up from sadness for some people who are stuck. It's just kinda something that happens usually just signalling something that I feel strongly about or maybe need to take action about. Feelings and emotions are just part of my human experience. Nothing for Jed to worry himself about.

People who live like some unemotional, detached being are just pretentious or my favorite word fake. They're all flat from suppressing themselves trying to fit the enlightened mold which is annoying to say the least if not just boring because they're all saying the same thing, likely in the same font.

And nobody I've met in here saying things like "the world isn't real" to me has been willing to type that after lighting their pant leg on fire. How about you? (Also a serious question. I'll explain why. Don't hurt yourself)