Platos Kave

I'd be happy to talk about, clarify or rethink anything I've said here Crystal.

I initially came to write on the Kave because a lot of the things written in the Jed books and similar, I simply could not understand and was looking for some kind of clarification to apply in real life situations, which somehow never worked and still don't.  Upon further reflection, I believe Plato's intent for this site was for like minded people to share from behind the "iron curtain of the mind" or more recently to  "waking up with a changed perspective". I simply am not there so anything I write would be a waste of all of our time.  Thank you.

Crystal, I truly understand the desire for real world application of non-dual principles and teachings. It became my raison d'etre and changed the course of my life because I couldn't shake the conviction of its potential for helpfulness (the ultimate measure, I believe) to the context and quality of the human experience.


What is critical is not to conflate causes with symptoms. In psychosocial work, almost all clients arrive wanting to do something about their symptoms - the unpleasant experiences predicating their search for help. They want help with their symptoms, while expending vast amounts of energy protecting the very causes of their afflictions. ("But mah true self!" aka 'ego')


...Isn't this exactly why Pharma has been so successful as a commercial model...?
"Don't change anything! You do you! Just take a pill!"

But there are no free lunches, physics is as real as the Earth we walk upon - BUT the stories we share about the experience of that are, for the most part, utter bullsh!t.

And you simply can't affect - with any degree of conscious awareness - the underlying root of a situation at the level of stories about the way they manifest. That's what the Red Queen tried to do, by painting the roses red. Going back and re-planting red roses involves a lot of work (rework and patience, for the Queen, who needed them red and needed them NOW) - but if you insist on 'solutions' right now - well, how often do we all get out our buckets and brushes and start slopping paint...?


...Isn't the world you see a very clear portrait of this same process, writ large...?

Sounds ridiculous at this level of abstraction - but that is exactly how it looks from the awakened perspective.


In the context of the Kave, the first question is: have you experienced the initial insight of 'no self'...? Have you passed through the Gateless Gate, wondering how it ever even became 'a thing'...?

If that's as far as you've gotten, then you are on the brink of what Jed called "the first step".

It's only the first step because the hard part is what comes afterwards, when you smell something cooking, start to feel the heat - and realise it's you that is on fire.


And you need that fire, because it is from its ashes that all possibility springs - including that of actually changing the world.

Finally catching up in here, Hmm, looks a lot like the Palisades region of LA, burned to the ground!

When I went searching in 2012 "I" was a wreck, when I stumbled on the trilogy in 2014 I finally had something, that something was the idea that "everything" was really "Nothing" (although I didn't understand it nor could I believe it). Through a lot of hard work and battle (against "myself" once I found out who the enemy was) and with the help of a few generous sign posts coupled with a bit of grace, I saw THROUGH myself and found there was was "Nothing" here. Nothing. Oh there's rocks and trees and stuff, food and things that want to eat you, there's a place to urinate and get a drink and whatever, beyond that it's all made up, mind stuff.

I have not met another person who has this perspective, I tried to tell people, explain it, here in the Kave mostly but also in this non-cyber existence... but all in vain. It's true what Jed said, every human is a fanatical member of the "Cult of Self" and not a damn thing that I can do will extract anyone from that cult... Oh well. Not my job it turns out, I did my work, now just an ordinary guy going about his business.

Over 10 years here, and nothing. Either I'm a freak or everyone else is, I'm guessing you know the answer because for 50 years I was just like everyone else. Doesn't really matter one way or the other, I'm content and that's what I went searching for in the first place. Doesn't make "me" special or enlightened or anything... just Nothing, which for the first time in this life, finally feels perfect.

Cling to your opinions and think they are right all you want, why not, everyone else on the planet does. My guess is that that is the problem Crystal keeps trying to fix, not realizing that the actual fix is the dropping of all opinions of what's right or wrong as they arise.

 

PS. loving Mic's working through of all this, feels right on the button over here. 

Bro, perhaps the most impressive part about this thread is that the LEAST "accepting of what is" are those whom deny their true selves. That which just comes forth naturally without the preoccupation with being some phony enlightened being... Alanis thinks it's ironic

And if not Dr. Mic.. then what is your issue with reality before human interpretation. Are humans a problem?  Do they not interpret their reality "correctly?" According to..YOU and Steve and some dead guy?...? Or is it that they cuss while killing each other while animals just skip that part?