Platos Kave

Taking a stab but I think you guys just have a fundamental issue with trust and belief in yourself that you have somehow projected onto the world which is somehow a random chaos in which the only way you know how to function is by calling it all crazy and taking no accountability for your own self and therefore dismissing any agency and attacking anyone else who has some of their own.... Just a guess by a non therapist

Did like the part about sick animals in my proximity being cause for concern.

So enlightenment seems to be sowing seeds of confusion until the seeker has no clue which way is up down left or right and therefore takes no action further more "accepting of what is"

Solid.

Seems to me that every other animal on the planet is accepting of what is and they seem to get along fine, humans on the other hand have to "fix" everything and in the "fixing" tend to destroy everything.

Societies will never embrace acceptance of what is, only individuals can do that. The human horse is so far out of the barn so to speak... we are not going back to hunter-gatherer societies anytime soon (whose societies were closer to the acceptance of the "what is" principal than we will ever be IMHO)

Walt Whitman gets at it with this:

By Walt Whitman
from Song of Myself

I think I could turn and live with animals,
they are so placid and self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.

They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things,
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
Not one b!tches and moans for years and years about some government asking them to get vaccinated.  ( my addition)

So they show their relations to me and I accept them,
They bring me tokens of myself, they evince them plainly in their possession.

I wonder where they get those tokens,
Did I pass that way huge times ago and negligently drop them?

What I am getting at when I advise myself to live in acceptance of what is, is a movement back to a simpler "huge times ago" to regain my "tokens", just for me and my well being, nothing to do with society; that train is on a crash course to nowhere and I'm not interested in that, other than being an observer of life as it flows around this

So to me it's personal, accepting what is, and it works so well that I have no need of anything else. For you and your collective idea for humanity, I see why you find it unworkable, but I also see that you don't bring forth a solution either? could it be that there isn't a solution to the human problem other than singularly waking up to what works for the animals?

Hmmm.

Did a quick search for these animals " accepting what is" " getting along fine" bringing y'all some "tokens of yourselves... "

https://youtu.be/ZYFxL_tKd5o?si=F3iLA-iC-7eELjla

I actually think that Walt might have glossed over the mere fact that your entire existence being determined by where you land on the food chain isn't as peaceful as it sounds in a book, written for human convince and enjoyment.

Back to you Mike and Steve for a bunch **** that sounds good but makes no f*cking sense.

Individual actions make up society. Were the jabs safe and effective including for grandma? The object of the game here is to see through all the lies, otherwise we can never create another kind of society. Or like J) says, just have an honest conversation.

And which animals? The ones in their natural habitat with freedom to roam, plenty to eat and drink, or the ones humans caged in zoos or compromised situations? There is a vet from Norway that says animals take on the sickness of the humans, treat the person and the animal gets better.

What’s the point of offering heretical therapy if the human horse is so far out of the barn, there is nothing to fix? It’s the actions some take from their thoughts that create problems for other humans and animals. If bombs were going off while you were trying to sleep, perhaps you could take it all on with complete neutrality, but you would be the exception. And I bet it’s frightening the hell out of the animals. However, I’m not the one who has woken up with a changed perspective.  In your model, both logic and morality seem to be on the chopping block, along with Dr. Suess, and neither the adults/children know if they are a boy, girl, or donkey’s ass. Although the changed perspective ones would most likely still say, there is no one, nothing’s happening, even if their whole family gets blown up in front of their face.

The term accepting what is, falls short, on its own as a universal concept that would have agreement across the board. What it means to us personally is at least workable.