Accepting what is

[Crystal]

Yesterday I came across a podcast that were talking about “accepting what is”. They share my same sentiments. It is a door closer. Humanity can never progress unless people stop accepting what is. Finally I found  another source that agrees with me. Phew what a relief. Ha ha.

[mic]

Hi Crystal, please break it down for me. What makes it a ‘door closer’ for you? I can’t help thinking we have only a communication problem here on this point and not a philosophical or ethical disagreement.

…Or (fresh thought, that just occurred to me) has the Marxist penchant for misappropriating well known terms seeped into the discourse and salted the metaphysical earth…? And is it now insisting on a newly ‘fixed’ meaning for what ‘acceptance’ must irrevocably mean…?

[Crystal]

The closest I can come to any words around this, is we keep “doing the same things we have always done” by accepting what is, nothing can change and the full potential can never be realized or even explored. Hence why wars constantly repeat. People seem to accept that is the way humanity “is”. Is that true? By accepting that certain people in so called "public health" consider themselves the authority on what constitutes health, is that true?  Yet billions lined up for the latest jab. I question that “accepting what is” isn’t just another installed program. A door closer because it doesn’t allow for anything other.

[Plato]

Seems to me that every other animal on the planet is accepting of what is and they seem to get along fine, humans on the other hand have to "fix" everything and in the "fixing" tend to destroy everything.

Societies will never embrace acceptance of what is, only individuals can do that. The human horse is so far out of the barn so to speak... we are not going back to hunter-gatherer societies anytime soon (whose societies were closer to the acceptance of the "what is" principal than we will ever be IMHO)

Walt Whitman gets at it with this:

By Walt Whitman
from Song of Myself

I think I could turn and live with animals,
they are so placid and self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.

They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things,
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
Not one b!tches and moans for years and years about some government asking them to get vaccinated.  ( my addition)

So they show their relations to me and I accept them,
They bring me tokens of myself, they evince them plainly in their possession.

I wonder where they get those tokens,
Did I pass that way huge times ago and negligently drop them?

What I am getting at when I advise myself to live in acceptance of what is, is a movement back to a simpler "huge times ago" to regain my "tokens", just for me and my well being, nothing to do with society; that train is on a crash course to nowhere and I'm not interested in that, other than being an observer of life as it flows around this

So to me it's personal, accepting what is, and it works so well that I have no need of anything else. For you and your collective idea for humanity, I see why you find it unworkable, but I also see that you don't bring forth a solution either? could it be that there isn't a solution to the human problem other than singularly waking up to what works for the animals?

Hmmm.

[mic]

The closest I can come to any words around this, is we keep “doing the same things we have always done” by accepting what is, nothing can change and the full potential can never be realized or even explored. Hence why wars constantly repeat. People seem to accept that is the way humanity “is”. Is that true? By accepting that certain people in so called "public health" consider themselves the authority on what constitutes health, is that true?  Yet billions lined up for the latest jab. I question that “accepting what is” isn’t just another installed program. A door closer because it doesn’t allow for anything other.

The world is. The only 'problems' in the entire known universe exist inside the human mind. None are manifested in the external world. The external world also exists inside the human mind - albeit as cartoonishly simplistic models - and it is upon those inward projections, these inner maps, that we overlay the issues - including the 'shoulds' and 'shouldn'ts' of morality and ethics that so many have a hard time grappling with.

This difficulty arises because what I am (we are) in truth contains all of the above. Those who see problems believe they are human, interacting with their human models and calling that 'reality'.

And all who cannot pry their eyes from the models are what we call "sleepers".

And their resistance to opening their eyes to what lies beyond their models - opening their eyes to what is - generates conflict between cognitively bounded belief systems, because no system offers a complete picture and those gaps and dark places induce fear (fear is also the seed of the belief systems, the compulsive need to explain and reduce in order to understand). And conflict between sleeping believers is ironically what leads to consensual reality, as these systems hammer at and bend and twist each other into forms that eventually become more universally compatible but ultimately only mental models... think how Christianity appropriated pagan symbols to bring others into the fold.

This ebb and flow of conflict happens because what all belief systems have in common is:
internal logic.

They can all be understood only from within - even if they are logically flawed, mystical and emotional elements that prop up and cement together the fuzzy bits of what are basically unsustainable mental models.

Unsustainable because no hypothesis or belief system can adequately capture what is going on in reality.

I read recently that the efforts to build an accurate neuronal map of a mouse's brain would take more capacity than the already staggering entirety of the world's existing digital storage. What does that suggest about our ultimate ability to adequately capture reality and reduce it to some mental/conceptual/digitally reproducible model...?

Logic is an entirely mental construct, not an attribute of the universe.

Reality doesn't make intellectually discernible 'sense'. This is why it defies all necessarily reductionist modelling.
Reality is the ocean in a drop of water, whereas the model is a drop of water in a vast, endless ocean.

Just when you think you have it down, you will inevitably bang your nose, skin your knee and lose an eye to what lies behind whatever model you've dreamed up to explain reality.

Carbon is not a problem.
Hate is not a problem.
Conflict is not a problem.
Government is not a problem.
Pronouns are not a problem.
Donald Trump is not a problem.
Fascist oppression and unelected supranational bodies is not a problem.
Christianity, Islam and Judaism is not a problem.
Immigration and the cost of housing on Gen-whatever is not a problem.

Reality has no problems.

So if you cannot appreciate that - first and foremost - your view of the world is a tiny, 1D, moralistic pinhole view of something infinitely vast and incomprehensible, then it is no wonder you find it challenging to 'accept' things as they are.


And non-acceptance of what-is, is the basis for ensuring that nothing will ever change in that, because it is axiomatic that what you resist persists.

[j(]

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[Plato]

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Solid.

[j(]

At least I feel something you non talking non interactive critical piece of ****

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=JEmFKU2FstA&si=QKQ8Fg82Ia1sCEfe

[Plato]

At least I feel something you non talking non interactive critical piece of ****

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=JEmFKU2FstA&si=QKQ8Fg82Ia1sCEfe

Uh, ok, off to sleep, nice chat.

[j(]

Yeah let me know whatever you wanna talk about sleepy

[j(]

Normal people just talk to each other. No pretense.

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[j(]

Oh well there you have it Steve fast asleep no input to be had damn my luck 🥹

[j(]

F*ck you and what you think. God bless

[j(]

Nonsense Kave

[j(]

Who *****ng cares what you say? From you to you. You don't even trust yourself.